Comments on: The Law of Primacy- Kneeling on the bottom http://www.scubajedi.com/the-law-of-primacy-kneeling-on-the-bottom/ The Top Scuba Diving Information Thu, 30 Dec 2010 10:02:23 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rick http://www.scubajedi.com/the-law-of-primacy-kneeling-on-the-bottom/comment-page-1/#comment-61 Rick Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:21:13 +0000 http://www.scubajedi.com/?p=248#comment-61 Nice one James; like it! I was reading an interesting article in NAUI's Sources Magazine recently about the primacy of learning and how it can be applied to better teach Stress & Rescue classes. The thrust of the article was encouraging teaching in procedures in reverse - i.e. CPR/1st Aid etc first and then stepping backwards to egress followed by 1st aid, then rescue procedures, followed by egress followed by 1st Aid. Of course, training agencies do not necessarily proscribe the order that skills should be taught, so this is something that could be practiced by many instructors. Indeed, I have always taught buoyancy first, for most of the reasons you mention above. However, I think kneeling also has a place; not everyone takes to the water like a duck, perfect buoyancy is not always easily achieved and it can be a Holy Grail that is sought over many dives of practice and improvement. We should go for a beer sometime - we live close and someone with lamb chops like yours must surely have a more refined palette than your average countryman?! "All Aboard! Tiggits please!"... Nice one James; like it! I was reading an interesting article in NAUI’s Sources Magazine recently about the primacy of learning and how it can be applied to better teach Stress & Rescue classes. The thrust of the article was encouraging teaching in procedures in reverse – i.e. CPR/1st Aid etc first and then stepping backwards to egress followed by 1st aid, then rescue procedures, followed by egress followed by 1st Aid.

Of course, training agencies do not necessarily proscribe the order that skills should be taught, so this is something that could be practiced by many instructors. Indeed, I have always taught buoyancy first, for most of the reasons you mention above. However, I think kneeling also has a place; not everyone takes to the water like a duck, perfect buoyancy is not always easily achieved and it can be a Holy Grail that is sought over many dives of practice and improvement.

We should go for a beer sometime – we live close and someone with lamb chops like yours must surely have a more refined palette than your average countryman?! “All Aboard! Tiggits please!”…

]]> By: Lucy http://www.scubajedi.com/the-law-of-primacy-kneeling-on-the-bottom/comment-page-1/#comment-57 Lucy Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:45:04 +0000 http://www.scubajedi.com/?p=248#comment-57 Really interesting article - might have made all the difference to me when I was learning and having terrible problems clearing my mask!! Look forward to reading more. Really interesting article – might have made all the difference to me when I was learning and having terrible problems clearing my mask!! Look forward to reading more.

]]> By: buck http://www.scubajedi.com/the-law-of-primacy-kneeling-on-the-bottom/comment-page-1/#comment-54 buck Mon, 23 Nov 2009 14:47:10 +0000 http://www.scubajedi.com/?p=248#comment-54 well i am glad to see others have gotten the wake up call. we use a program called compression teaching that uses comfort , control, confedence in all phases of training and this builds a better dive student able to learn because of the reduced stress. it is not the agency its the instructor you can be an old salt or a new instructor if you use the tech. we teach you will be that jedi instructor if intrested give us a buzz well open your eyes and as a shop or instructor fatten your wallet . have a safe day buck @dive911.com 770-652-7401 well i am glad to see others have gotten the wake up call. we use a program called compression teaching that uses comfort , control, confedence in all phases of training and this builds a better dive student able to learn because of the reduced stress. it is not the agency its the instructor you can be an old salt or a new instructor if you use the tech. we teach you will be that jedi instructor if intrested give us a buzz well open your eyes and as a shop or instructor fatten your wallet . have a safe day buck @dive911.com 770-652-7401

]]> By: Alex http://www.scubajedi.com/the-law-of-primacy-kneeling-on-the-bottom/comment-page-1/#comment-25 Alex Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:12:33 +0000 http://www.scubajedi.com/?p=248#comment-25 Great article.....thanks for opening my eyes to a wider world. Great article…..thanks for opening my eyes to a wider world.

]]> By: Dean http://www.scubajedi.com/the-law-of-primacy-kneeling-on-the-bottom/comment-page-1/#comment-22 Dean Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:37:10 +0000 http://www.scubajedi.com/?p=248#comment-22 that is awesome. that is awesome.

]]> By: James http://www.scubajedi.com/the-law-of-primacy-kneeling-on-the-bottom/comment-page-1/#comment-21 James Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:09:10 +0000 http://www.scubajedi.com/?p=248#comment-21 Hi Dean, The length of time will be subjective to your students however I find it to be about the same amount of overall time. I put my students underwater and get them comfortable with breathing first. If you don’t put them over-weighted on the bottom of the pool and the first thing they see is you… neutral, horizontal and in control, they will associate touching the bottom as wrong. My students see me hovering motionless in mid-water and immediately try to copy what they see. Many actually get it before I even have to explain it. I have not taught a single skill on the bottom of the pool in more than 5 years. James Hi Dean,
The length of time will be subjective to your students however I find it to be about the same amount of overall time. I put my students underwater and get them comfortable with breathing first. If you don’t put them over-weighted on the bottom of the pool and the first thing they see is you… neutral, horizontal and in control, they will associate touching the bottom as wrong. My students see me hovering motionless in mid-water and immediately try to copy what they see. Many actually get it before I even have to explain it.
I have not taught a single skill on the bottom of the pool in more than 5 years.
James

]]> By: Dean http://www.scubajedi.com/the-law-of-primacy-kneeling-on-the-bottom/comment-page-1/#comment-18 Dean Wed, 11 Nov 2009 03:58:30 +0000 http://www.scubajedi.com/?p=248#comment-18 I find your article of great interest. I think you are right about divers remaining comfortable on their knees and or with their head up. I am curious as to how long it takes to move a non-diver to open water diver with the techniques you mentioned? I find your article of great interest. I think you are right about divers remaining comfortable on their knees and or with their head up.
I am curious as to how long it takes to move a non-diver to open water diver with the techniques you mentioned?

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